Blankfist, you keep coming back to "the agreed upon cost" as if they had a contract that they had to pay the mandatory tip. That's not the issue for me at all. If it said loud and clear on the menu, or they told me when I got in, that there was the extra fee of 20 %, I would just leave again immediately. I would not have my food and THEN refuse to pay the tip, then you are right, I would be in the wrong. That's not my argument. My argument is when NOTHING is mentioned and when the bill comes, it's 20 % more than what you could figure out from the item prices. That is deceitful.
>> ^poolcleaner: >> ^gwiz665: I have no problem with a restaurant adding an extra fee if you are a big group, but I have a problem when they try to call it a tip or gratuity. That's the whole issue, it's not gratuity, it's a bill. I pay tips in restaurants when I've gotten good service, or we had difficult orders or whatever - but I CHOOSE to pay it, I'm not forced to it.
Your opinion is skewed because 1) You don't live in America, and 2) You didn't work in the terrible food industry of America.
Before you start downvoting me and before you stop reading what I have to say, let me explain: I'm not against you not being American, (because that's a simple-minded way to go about judging people) but the food industry here is bullshit and the system (for lack of an actual person to blame) forces workers into this reality. When a tip is not paid by a customer, it's akin to docking a worker's pay. I know it doesn't make that much sense, but it's how things turned out over here. And it's as simple as that from a restaurant worker's perspective.
My next point is also important to your understanding: The total tips that a waiter/server makes at the end of the day is split up amongst the food runners, bussers, and barback, so not tipping has a trickle down effect to people who may have done their share of work yet who rely on the waiter to make their fair share.
It really is a shitty shitland of shit for the workers who live by these rules. I fault your ignorance of our food culture, not your ability to reason. I'd love to adopt the system you envision, but that means nothing in the short term and isn't too realistic.
Whether it actually is that way or not is not in question. Whether it is a bad thing is. And it is a bad thing. Like I said earlier, make a better system.
If they merely called it "staff fee" or something, then everyone would know what it was, but to disguise it as something nice, a tip, a donation, is deceitful. I don't blame this particular restaurant, I blame the system. Hence my, make a better society.
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>> ^poolcleaner: The total tips that a waiter/server makes at the end of the day is split up amongst the food runners, bussers, and barback, so not tipping has a trickle down effect to people who may have done their share of work yet who rely on the waiter to make their fair share.
It really is a shitty shitland of shit for the workers who live by these rules.
Yeah, I have a shitty job with shit policies and shit pay, too.
I totally agree it's a shitty deal for workers who live by those rules. Who is responsible for those rules? Is the customer to blame? Am I supposed to feel bad about it? It's unfortunate, but place the blame where it is due.
I think it's reasonable to be annoyed that I, the customer, am expected to pay part of the server's wages as a courtesy to the restaurant owner/industry. Lazy/asshole restaurant owners need to pay their employees properly and stop passing the buck onto their customers.
I hate knowing that my tip is evenly distributed to everyone else, including other servers. It's a corrupt and unfair system. Where's the incentive to provide good service?
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>> ^gwiz665:
I have no problem with a restaurant adding an extra fee if you are a big group, but I have a problem when they try to call it a tip or gratuity. That's the whole issue, it's not gratuity, it's a bill. I pay tips in restaurants when I've gotten good service, or we had difficult orders or whatever - but I CHOOSE to pay it, I'm not forced to it.
Your opinion is skewed because 1) You don't live in America, and 2) You didn't work in the terrible food industry of America.
Before you start downvoting me and before you stop reading what I have to say, let me explain: I'm not against you not being American, (because that's a simple-minded way to go about judging people) but the food industry here is bullshit and the system (for lack of an actual person to blame) forces workers into this reality. When a tip is not paid by a customer, it's akin to docking a worker's pay. I know it doesn't make that much sense, but it's how things turned out over here. And it's as simple as that from a restaurant worker's perspective.
My next point is also important to your understanding: The total tips that a waiter/server makes at the end of the day is split up amongst the food runners, bussers, and barback, so not tipping has a trickle down effect to people who may have done their share of work yet who rely on the waiter to make their fair share.
It really is a shitty shitland of shit for the workers who live by these rules. I fault your ignorance of our food culture, not your ability to reason. I'd love to adopt the system you envision, but that means nothing in the short term and isn't too realistic.
Whether it actually is that way or not is not in question. Whether it is a bad thing is. And it is a bad thing. Like I said earlier, make a better system.
If they merely called it "staff fee" or something, then everyone would know what it was, but to disguise it as something nice, a tip, a donation, is deceitful. I don't blame this particular restaurant, I blame the system. Hence my, make a better society.
Just because some countries have sweatshops doesn't mean they should.
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The total tips that a waiter/server makes at the end of the day is split up amongst the food runners, bussers, and barback, so not tipping has a trickle down effect to people who may have done their share of work yet who rely on the waiter to make their fair share.
It really is a shitty shitland of shit for the workers who live by these rules.
Yeah, I have a shitty job with shit policies and shit pay, too.
I totally agree it's a shitty deal for workers who live by those rules. Who is responsible for those rules? Is the customer to blame? Am I supposed to feel bad about it? It's unfortunate, but place the blame where it is due.
I think it's reasonable to be annoyed that I, the customer, am expected to pay part of the server's wages as a courtesy to the restaurant owner/industry. Lazy/asshole restaurant owners need to pay their employees properly and stop passing the buck onto their customers.
I hate knowing that my tip is evenly distributed to everyone else, including other servers. It's a corrupt and unfair system. Where's the incentive to provide good service?
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